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The Railroad Hero Who Saved a Town with a Dynamite Train

• Steve and Neil Webb • Season 1 • Episode 6

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At the beginning of the 20th century, copper was the most sought after natural resource on earth, used for new technologies like electricity, telephone wires, indoor plumbing and the newfangled motor car, and, under the little Mexican town of Nacozari, in Sonora, they had copper a plenty. 

The busy railroad delivered tools needed by the Polaris mine, collected copper ore, and transported the raw material up to Arizona for smelting. 

The railroad also employed local heartthrob and hero, Jesus Garcia Corona, and when the whole town was threatened with dynamite and disaster, there was only one man who could save them and become the Héroe de Nacozari.

This is the astonishing tale of selfless bravery, heartbreak, Dia del Ferrocarrilero, and, of course, fortune telling chickens. 


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Honourable Mentions.

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Hello, listener. How are you? Welcome to another episode of Honourable Mentions. Hello, Neil. Hello, Steve. How are you? How's your brain, do you think?

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Um it's it's on fire.

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When you say on fire, you don't mean your head is in flames.

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Yes, it is, yes.

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Do you want to do something about that first or are you happy to happy to continue?

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Yeah.

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Cause today we're opening with a series of clues.

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Okay.

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And these clues should lead you to the main thrust of today's episode. Rust of today's episode.

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It's not a dirty one, is it?

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It's not a dirty one in any way, shape, or form.

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Okay.

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So here's your set of clues, Neil, at the end of which I hope you'll be able to guess the rust of today's episode. So Ozzie Osborne's was crazy. The OJs had love. The farm, it was groovy, and Soul Asylum's was a runaway. Gladys Knight left at midnight on the way to Georgia. The monkeys took the last one to Clarksville, and according to Ocean Colour scene, you should roll the number, write another song like Jimmy Heard the day he caught his. What is it, please?

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It's not a cold or anything like that. Um I was getting my head round taxi and that kind of thing, but I'm gonna go. Do you know what? I'm gonna go out there and put my name down for train.

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Train, you're saying. Yes What about you, listener? Have you come to a conclusion? Because if you did, I hope you also said train because Neil, yes, that is the right answer. Today's episode is gonna focus on locomotives. You just said trains. Well, in the adult world, for intellectuals like what I am, locomotives and trains are the same thing. It's just a bigger word for it, Neil.

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Just call it a train then.

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A locomotive and train are the same thing.

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Yeah, I know, but just call it a train because it's yeah, it's it's we can't everybody, isn't it? Because everyone knows what a train is.

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Throughout the rest of this episode, we'll be calling it we'll be to be referring to trains.

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Thank you.

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Now do you know of the town called Nakazari?

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Yes, yes, I know that quite well.

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Do you?

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Yeah, I've been there a few times.

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What do you know about Nakazari, please?

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Wasn't it bombed in the war?

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No. Oh. Well no. It's probably bombed in some war or other, but not.

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You're thinking Second World War?

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Yeah.

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No, it's not Japanese.

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Oh.

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No, that's where you're getting confused. Nakazari was a town, brackets, past tense, close brackets, in the Mexican state of Sonora.

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Oh right, okay, that Nakazari, sorry.

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This is in your your Mexico.

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Oh Mexico.

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In Central America.

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Iba Yba.

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Yiba Yba. Do you know Nakazari? Its name means an abundance of prickly pears. It's quite a nice little ring to it, isn't it? Yeah. As opposed to Northampton, of course, which means an abundance of bricks. Yes. At the turn of the twentieth century, Nakasari was a peaceful place of around five thousand souls and a world leader in copper production.

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World leader?

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In copper production.

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Wow.

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They produced a lot of coppers.

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Did they?

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So there's plenty of no law no theft to stuff around there than Well, I think what it was, they had an academy that had a really tall guy called Hightower.

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Yeah.

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They would have had um a gun freak.

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Yeah.

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They would have had that bloke who used to have that megaphone and used to bear to make lots of noises of inanimate objects.

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Right, yeah. Oh, that sort of thing. The blonde model.

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That bloke who used to go around going after he said things. That wasn't Scooby-Doo anything. That was Taza Tasmania, but.

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That sounded more like Scooby-Doo, I'm sorry. Reggae?

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That's Scooby-Doo.

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That's nowhere near Scooby-Doo.

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Uh oh. Roast. That's Scooby-Doo. Nope. So at the turn of the twentieth century, Neil, please.

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Yes.

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What sort of new technologies would have bought the need for copper all around the world?

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Coins.

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No. Have another go.

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Um new technologies. Technologies.

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Coins weren't really new technology at the turn of the twentieth century, were they?

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We don't know, do you? Or they weren't, I'm telling you. Electricity.

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Ooh, yeah. So electrical cables. Wires is the phrase I think they use.

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Okay.

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So along those lines, along with lines of wires, what other technologies would have used wires and copper wires, particularly in abundance?

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Telephones.

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Yes. Alright. Yes. Alongside telephones and electrical, what other sort of lights. Oh lights is a good one. Light bulb fittings, yeah. I was thinking telegrams, telegram wires.

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Right.

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Internet.

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Yeah, that sort of stuff. Light bulb fittings you've said, Neil. Anything else that you can think of that would use copper in a mass production at that time? At the turn of the sweep century, so we're talking the 1900s, then you're saying you're going with nuclear weapons, are you? Yeah. Yeah. You you're gonna die on that hill, are you? With nuclear weapons.

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Okay.

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Well, I was thinking more indoor plumbing. Probably not as explosive.

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Okay.

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Unless following you into the toilet.

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Water.

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Gas and water pipes. Yes. And motor car production is the other one I've got written down here.

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Okay.

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So all those things were happening and copper was needed across the globe in mass production. And your little town here of Nakazari was a world leader in producing the stuff. It had it in the ground all around the shop.

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It had a plethora.

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Oh, it did. An abundance of plethora. Yeah, I'm glad you said plethora. That means a lot. Nacasari's copper miners, so these are the people that actually went in and dug out the coppers.

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No.

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Young people.

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No. Um Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. That wasn't a documentary of any sort.

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Oh, okay.

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Nacazari's copper miners earned ten times the Mexican national wage. Almost price. As you can see, a lot of people would have been flooding into the town thinking I'll have a piece of that hot booties.

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Yes.

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But it was a hot, dangerous, hard, and energy sapping work. So they weren't getting it for nothing.

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Like most things in life.

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Like most things in life. Often mustache twistling mine bosses would rather see men maimed or killed than go to the expense of costly safety measures.

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Do they have big top hats?

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They probably had big top hats and a dog that went.

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Yeah.

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Like that.

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Yeah.

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There was always more men desperate for this well paid work, so why should they bother putting health and safety measures into the body? Exactly. That was their attitude.

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Yeah.

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Health health and safety gone mad.

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Well, when you've been working for the same place for a long while, you sort of you you get to know it and your enthusiasm goes, isn't it? So I suppose if you just keep changing stuff, the enthusiasm stays high, doesn't it?

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So what you're saying that people would have deliberately kicked over a box of dynamite in the mine, you you're doing well as one of the bosses and you'd do alright. Yeah, I know. In eighteen ninety eight, a sixteen year old boy called Jesus Garcia.

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Jesus.

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Now at some point, listener, I will probably say Jesus. And I'm not meaning Jesus as in your biblical Jesus of Nazareth. I am talking about Jesus Garcia, and I have simply misspoken. I will try not to do so, but please don't go email in to honourable mentions pod at gmail.com and accuse me of blasphemy or any of the such.

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Okay, so it's not the Jesus. No. This is Okay, that's all right, that's fine. We know where we are.

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Jesus Garcia. Jesus. Jesus Garcia. He travelled in eighteen ninety-eight across the state of Sonora with his seven siblings, his mum Rosa, and dad Francisco. Where's his wife? All heading for a new life in this boom town. Where's his wife? He was sixteen.

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Okay.

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Francisco would never make it, sadly, because he was taken ill and died on the way.

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Well fixed then.

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It must have been, mustn't it? But of course, yeah, they they'd have been using your donkeys, I should imagine, and things like that. Moore train. So it would have been a train, but a mool train.

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But then if they got copper, they would build cars, shouldn't they? They'd let them have a car.

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Why would they let them have a car? Is that what happens nowadays?

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They do lease plans, don't they, and things like that?

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They don't let you have them, do they? You have to pay for it.

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Oh, do you? I don't know what people get knocking on my door.

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Going out yourself. Oops. Rosa and her children did arrive and soon opened a restaurant.

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Oh, what was it? What was it? Taco's.

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Could be a taco bell, I thought, perhaps a little chef for the Olympic breakfasts. Something, something like that. But Jesus' brothers all found work in the mines, but Jesus helped out at the restaurant, and when there wasn't enough work there, he'd take little odd jobs around the town. So he wasn't one for sitting on his ass, he was one for going out there and working for his living.

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Yeah, doing little odd jobs. Odd job Jesus.

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Odd job Jesus, yeah. Probably. Can he fix it? Yes he can.

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Put your faith in Jesus.

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No. Oh yes But if anyone wants to, then they can put their faith in Jesus or Jesus. It's up to them. He was a popular kid was Jesus. Polite, happy, and generous to a fault, often spending the money he earned on his spongy little friends.

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Well the spongy.

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Yeah. Well that's that. No, not as in like square bands, spongy as in like. Oh Jesus, I'd really like one of those, if only someone would lend me the money. But he didn't mind. Yeah, he didn't mind. A gift has no end, he'd say. Meaning that if you were to gift somebody and be generous towards them, eventually it'll come back to you. Okay. When he turned seven, yeah, but Yeah, well you've got to start being generous first.

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Oh yeah. Sorry.

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When he turned seventeen, Jesus took a job as a water boy in the town's new railroad.

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Was that running water onto people when they're getting hot?

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So this is a new railroad. But though water would have been used to cool things down, I suppose. Oh right. I'd doubt I doubt that. No. Little plastic bottles and things.

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Yeah. Okay. No. I know where we are now.

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You know where we are right.

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Adam Sandro in my head for a little while.

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So picture this, okay? He quickly won promotions to a switchman, which is someone who works on the on the line to pull the levers that change the A switch, if you will. A switch. Yeah. A brakeman.

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So No, no, we have a go for that. He he organized people's brakes.

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No. He was in charge of the brakes on the train.

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Okay, fair enough.

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A fireman.

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Ah, now this one. Go on then. Yep. He put out fires.

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He did, yes. If if there were any schools.

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Didn't start him, he put them out.

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And finally, by the age of twenty, to a maquinista. And of course your m your mastery of language would already be telling you that that is Spanish for engine driver. Is that correct?

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Um I haven't got a bloody clue. Oh yes, if you say so yes.

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I thought you were fluent in several languages.

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I'm fluent in several I'm fluent in most languages. I've never I've never had to have that in a conversation.

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The Macquinista, you never come across the Macquinista.

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Um might have done him in previous life previous times, but that's a different story. Especially we want to get him from we don't want to get him from London free.

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But old Hisus or young Hesus, his work ethic was much appreciated by his employers. And in 1904, they paid for him and seven of his colleagues to attend the World's Fair in St. Louis, Missouri, which was a huuge deal at the time.

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What do you think it was? But is it like the normal American things when they say it's the world fair, like the world baseball, and that no one else plays it apart from them?

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No, I don't think so. I think Canada play in the World Baseball Series. I asked an American once, I said to him, Why do you call it the World Series when only America and Canada, one team from Canada, is it? Toronto Blue Jays or something. America and one team from Canada are allowed to play in it. And he said it's called the World Series because all the best baseball players in the world come to play in this series, which is handy because they may tend to be Americans.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But Mexico, I think Japan as well, has a really I think Japanish, a couple of Japanese teams did actually request to take part in the World Series but were declined because America might be worried they didn't win.

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Yeah. Anyway.

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Like World's Fairs, right?

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Yeah.

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I think the Eiffel Tower was something to do with being built for a World's Fair. So that's in Paris, that's in France, and that's in Europe. Not in America.

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No trebia.

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So yeah, I wouldn't say that all Americans, this uh World Series, this World Fair.

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They'll have to keep giving a lot of people notice because if they are travelling from Europe and stuff like that, it probably took them a few weeks, didn't it? Back then. So they've had to go do a lot of planning.

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It would have been a lot of planning to to launch your world's fairs. Yeah.

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Telegrams and things.

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In St. Louis, Missouri, off went Jesus and seven of his colleagues, so that was a big deal for them. That's eight, wasn't it? Well done.

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Thank you.

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Have you got your calculator out or did you No, it's excused my fingers. Well, that was r that was red hot. That took you what, three, three, four minutes, and you were there. Easy. Yeah. Yeah. Well done.

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Thank you.

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Jesus Garcia was always resplendent in his white shirt, coat and tie, with a tilted back, white cowboy hat.

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So he wore all white.

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Yeah, a bit like Boss Hogg.

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Yeah.

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In in The Dukes of Hazard. His tanned his tan skin, dark hair, and Hollywood idol jawline. Jesus was recognized and admired all over Nakazari.

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He would do it because everyone else would be stuffing to be wearing bright white. What are you doing, you diddiots dirty around here?

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Well, he obviously took great care in his appearance. Trevor Burrus washing his clothes. From what we know, he must have been a bit of a a bit of a looker as well. And not unlike ourselves.

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Well he is, yeah. I can get that point of view. It's difficult sometimes being this good looking.

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Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah. Yeah. In we're going to October 1907 now. Okay. His Us Garcia, not only was he a pretty good looking fella and resplendent in his all white with his tilted cowboy hat, in October 1907 he averted disaster by managing to halt a train whose brakes had failed by reversing the wheels and dumping lots of sand on the line. The train finally ground to a halt only four meters from where the tracks ran out. So he was also a bit of a hero as well.

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A bit of a hero. He didn't do a superman thing and stand in front of it then and try and stop it.

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No, because that wouldn't have been a good idea, would it, Neil?

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Well, yeah, no idea.

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I don't think you do. I think you've got a pretty good idea that if there's a train that's brakes have failed and it's rolling away, you're not going to stand in front of it and try and stop it. The best thing is to get on it as as his as his use has done and reverse it so it's going backwards the other way and that helps to f stop the forward momentum.

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So was he driving the train and then sort of ran out and legged it in front of it and then put a load of sand on it, or did it just happen to be a load of sand there or something? What was it? Did he plant it?

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They'd have had sand on the train to put out fires and things.

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But you have to run quick then, wouldn't you?

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And they've had sand by the tracks and stuff. So I'd imagine he probably was on the train, was he?

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He must have legged it.

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He must have thought, oh, he must have been able to run fast. He must have done as well. So this fella is good looking, is neatly turned out.

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He's an athlete.

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He's an athlete as well. Is a hero for saving the the train. And the the men wanted to be him and the women wanted to have him. Everybody loved Jesus.

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In what way?

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In what way?

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What, please? The women wanted to have him.

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I'd imagine in a sexual way.

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Oh I didn't know if you want that in a marital way.

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Probably as well.

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Wanted to have his babies. Wanted to have some baby Jesus'. Yeah.

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Yes. Rumpy, Jesus, pumpy. That's what they wanted.

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Yeah.

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Now he really only had three loves in his life, did Jesus. One of course was his mother.

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No.

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One was his girlfriend, who we'll come to later. In fact, his fiancee. And the other one was locomotive number two. Which was his prime and joy. No. Now you're thinking of a poo.

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Oh, okay.

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Or a turd or something along those lines.

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Yeah.

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But um no, this is his actual locomotive, what it is, what he was in charge of.

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Oh, okay.

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He used to uh polish and keep clean and shine all the time. Yeah, we were. You can't polish a turd. That's a well known phrase, listener.

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It is, yeah.

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We went, didn't we? We we popped into October 1907.

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Yeah, we've been there, yeah.

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And we're now on the 7th of November 1907.

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Okay.

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And for a modest young man like Hesuska, October was ancient history. He wasn't dwelling on that. Although people wanted to talk to him about it, he wasn't dwelling on that.

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Yeah, I'm not interested in love, sorry, that's behind me. That's behind me on moving. Let's move on. Let's move on. Forget about it.

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As his teeth sparkled in the sun.

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Yeah, like Colgate advert.

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Ting! And then he went off and cleaved a rock in two with his really square jaw.

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Yeah.

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Locomotive number two, this is his pride and joy, right? So I'm gonna ask you to see if you can picture this. It had a prominent sloping cow catcher on its front. Do you know what I mean by a cow catcher?

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Is that one of them big sort of like a bumper thing on the front that not just cows out of the way, but on the tracks?

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Yes, on the trains. Yes, that's it. Right.

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So it's not a catcher, is it? It's a knocker out there.

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Well, it's called a cowcatcher, and it's clear.

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It's a clear obstacles from the tracks. No, not just cows.

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Not just cows, any old obstacle that got on the tracks.

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Well, you just call it a barrier or a a blockage or a bumper even. There you go. Offender. Is there ever that way?

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Hello, Neil.

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Yeah.

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Can I just suggest that you go back in time and put this to the people off the time? Because I am not I am not responsible for naming the train paraphernalia at the turn of the twentieth century.

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Ridiculous. Anyway, carry on.

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Carry on. You right? You calm down?

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No. Carry on.

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Carry on. So it's got its I was going to say cowcatcher again, but we'll call it its obstacle clearer.

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Yes, that's better.

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On the front. And a large round headlight above the smoke box door. So it had one of those big round headlights there that would have lit the way in the dark.

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Yeah.

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The smokestack. The smokestack itself.

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If it could be a euphemism, couldn't it, above the big headlight?

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Is that what yours does?

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Yeah.

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It lights your way upstairs, does it?

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I've got LEDs in it.

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Have you?

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Yeah. Don't have a headlamp.

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No. Just LED LEDs all round your belly button. Okay. The smokestack that we're talking about now flared outwards from a narrow base, so it's got wider as it goes upwards. And the driver's cab was open to the elements, save for an up and over canopy of steel, which required two round window cutouts for the driver and his fireman to see ahead. So can you picture this train now?

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Yes, I can, thank you.

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That day, locomotive number two was to be shuttling between Nakazari base and the Polaris mine up in the mountains, which is where what it was they got the copper from. Taking supplies up and bringing the copper ore back.

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Alright. Okay. Yeah, got that.

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Jesus maintained, painted and cleaned and hand polished the old girl. That's the train.

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Oh, okay. Right, fair enough.

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Leaving a space in the cab for a photograph of his fiance, Jesusita.

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Oh Jesus. That's right, so it's Jesus and Jesusita.

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Jesus and Jesusita.

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She's a Jesus.

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Do you want to re-record that bit? Jesus and Jesusita.

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Jesusita? Hmm. Sounds a bit rude.

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He's still going there. Okay. Apparently the night before, on the 6th of November, old Zeus, one of the things he liked to do was go out of the evening, as was his want, and he'd entertain, he'd make Jesusita laugh, and he'd entertain her by serenading her, if you will.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well near open fire or something.

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Yeah, and that was what he was doing the night before.

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Oh, that's nice of him, wasn't it? I'm a storyteller. Oh, that's normal. Yeah. Sitting in a tree.

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I was into that. Gone, carry on.

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No, you're right.

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Okay. At breakfast, Rosa, now if you remember Rosa.

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Yeah.

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She was his mum, wasn't she?

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Yes, she was, yeah.

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Rosa had warned him that the roosters had been crowing through the night, an omen that someone in the town will die. She pleaded with Jesus to stay at home, but he just laughed and reassured her.

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Don't worry, mother.

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He had an easy day, he said. He'd done it all a hundred times before. What could possibly go wrong?

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Yeah. But of course that's what Jeremy Clarkson says.

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What's that? What could get what could get what could possibly go wrong?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Shut up.

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So anyway, Jesus, he wasn't listening to the Cox, was he?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh no. No. Well you wouldn't, would you if you're that way inclined?

SPEAKER_02:

He wasn't paying any attention to Cox at all. He said to his mother, What a good go roll. Nothing bad ever happened to Jesus when the roosters were cockadoodling, you said? And he kissed her goodbye and left. When he arrived for work, Jesus was told that the train's usual conductor, a German fella named Albert Beale, had been admitted.

SPEAKER_03:

Pardon? Uh Tweakle? Uh Tweakle. Oh, East Enders. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Peter Beale.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, Tweakle?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Free cabbages, Twiggle.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So that's who Albert Beale was. That's what he was doing. He'd have been in the middle.

SPEAKER_04:

That's why they called it Albert Square.

SPEAKER_02:

Because of Albert Beale.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Probably.

SPEAKER_04:

That's why the Beals were in it as well.

SPEAKER_02:

But Albert Beale had been admitted to hospital. So they'd have to manage without him on this day.

SPEAKER_04:

That could have been the death then, couldn't it?

SPEAKER_02:

Toykel? Well he's not dead, it's just because he's an hospital.

SPEAKER_04:

No, but it could be dying in hospital.

SPEAKER_02:

We don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

That could have been reasonable for all the cocks.

SPEAKER_02:

Lots of cocks.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Mate a German was in hospital. Well that's not what Rosa said.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02:

But Albert Twijkle was the conductor. And his job was to oversee the loading and unloading of the open top train cars and ensuring everything ran smoothly and on time.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

But he wasn't there, was he? Because he was in hospitals have already discussed at some length.

SPEAKER_04:

He was having a cirkey. He pulled a shirke. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

He was he was ill enough to be in hospital Neil, so that's not diminish his his illness.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Now Jesus was an experienced train driver, but he'd never been a conductor. Nevertheless, he'd been told that Albert Bill was not there, and he was going to have to conduct and drive this train.

SPEAKER_05:

Alright.

SPEAKER_02:

So they had the crew, there was Jesus Gas here, we've already met, who's the driver, stroke conductor on this occasion. A brakeman called Hippolito.

SPEAKER_05:

Hey, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Love that. Francisco, who was an off-duty brakeman who had volunteered to cover.

SPEAKER_04:

That's nice of him.

SPEAKER_02:

An eighteen-year-old fireman called Jose. Jose. But the the first journey they made arrived at the mine, an Iris mine, without any incident at all. So that was good.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, everyone did the job well. Good team. Well done.

SPEAKER_02:

By midday, locomotive number two had completed a couple of trips there and back without incident. Or we f or so we think. Because Jesus and Jose had noticed a problem with the screen that protected the open cars behind the engine from sparks and embers rising from the wood burning engine and through the smokestack.

SPEAKER_05:

Ooh, right.

SPEAKER_02:

They alerted the workshop as you would do, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I've got sparks coming out the top of the engine, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Now normally Albert Beal would have gone into the workshop and said, All right, Tweakle.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

We've got some sparks here, Tweakle.

SPEAKER_04:

Where's your cabbages? Where's my tweakle? There's got me sparks out, Tweakle.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. But he wasn't there, was he?

SPEAKER_04:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

So while the workers tended to the engine and loaded the cars for the next trip, Jesus had lunch of chicken soup with Rosa.

SPEAKER_04:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

Neighbours later confirmed that she had shared her premonition again as they ate. Now the roosters were crowing in the middle of the day. She begged him to stay at home, but Jesus couldn't stay at home, could he? Because old Beel, Albert Tweakle, was off ill and they needed him. They needed him, that's what she said.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Pay attention. Look at this cock.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Pay attention to it. But Jesus said, two more round trips and he'd be home again. Stop your whittling.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, just after two PM, locomotive number two, ready to set off again towards the Polaris mine up in the mountains there. But because there was no conductor, there was no Albert Bill.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

The two front cars contained seventy boxes of dynamite or three and a half tons, complete with their detonators and fuses.

SPEAKER_04:

What'd you wrap up?

SPEAKER_02:

This was slightly. This this was strictly against company regulations, which stated that dynamite must be carried only in the rear cars.

SPEAKER_04:

Well you'd think so, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_02:

But the other cars that day contained completely safe and non-flammable material called hay or dried grass or whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So the dynamite was at the front and the hay was in the back. Who the hell loaded that up? They got it completely their own round round. Well, there was no conductor there to tell them. Oh, but Beale or an experienced conductor. If they'd have been on duty that day, they'd have said, okay, Tweakle. We need to load those three cars.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Free cle cars with we've got hay. They need to go to your front.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And your dynamite needs to go to your back, it has said when he tweaked. Yeah. And that would have been perfectly alright. Yeah. But he wasn't there, of course. And Jesus needed his lunch. Of course he did, because he started work ridiculously early.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So he needed something at all. So on the seventh of November 1907, there was no conductor and there was no time to make sure that it was reloaded correctly.

SPEAKER_04:

What do you mean there's no time?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, because they had a schedule.

SPEAKER_04:

So?

SPEAKER_02:

Or a schedule, however you want to say that.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, surely he'd check his load before he drove off.

SPEAKER_02:

Perhaps he did, but he also wanted to get the train. Oh, sorry, yes. Um the the load of on the train.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, he did, but they didn't have time to then rearrange shunt all the cars around.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, Stephen, I'm sorry, but if there was an at uh if you've got that and there's dynamite right near the fiery engine that's sparking out stuff, you'd say to yourself, Do you know what? I'm not I'm taking it, I'm not taking that. No, I am not, because that is a hazard.

SPEAKER_02:

Of course, we know, well done, Neil, because you picked up on the other little thing here about the smoke screen.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Or the the this the protector screen.

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly. You'd say, no, and go into the office, say, hey, come on, I'm not taking that, that is dangerous. It's dangaroos, not for me, pal. Puff.

SPEAKER_02:

Now the mine the mine, of course, that had to keep on mining needed plenty of explosives to blast away the rock and expose the copper all the time.

SPEAKER_04:

Sure they did, but surely in a safe and safe manner.

SPEAKER_02:

But this dynamite wasn't just dynamite. This dynamite was the most powerful dynamite available anywhere in the world at that time.

SPEAKER_04:

Where's the man with the high vision, the clipboard?

SPEAKER_02:

They needed one, didn't they? He was in hospital twigal.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, for God's sake. So you're telling me that oh, don't worry, go on. Just go.

SPEAKER_02:

This this dynamite was stored in the Nagasari powder magazine.

SPEAKER_04:

Is that a good read?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. It is actually. It's not just about dynamite and sound coming in and all that sort of stuff. It's got all sorts of powders in there.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, the old Charlie, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Sounds like a good read.

SPEAKER_02:

It is a good read. Very it's it's very broad in the areas it covers.

SPEAKER_04:

Is it still available?

SPEAKER_02:

No.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Because I've just made it up. It was stored in the Nakazari powder magazine. Magazine being the name for a building. A building that stores, exposes, ammunition, that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

And this building stood directly between the the narrow gauge track that led up to the Polaris mine and back.

SPEAKER_04:

Don't tell me the furnace.

SPEAKER_02:

And the standard gauge, which led to Douglas, Arizona, where the copper ore was smelted.

SPEAKER_04:

Good old Douglas.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know who this Douglas was, but he was a busy fella. The powder magazine held two thousand boxes of high grade dynamite.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_04:

That's a lot, isn't it, Stephen?

SPEAKER_02:

So Jesus I've done it, haven't I?

SPEAKER_04:

You've done it.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh nice.

SPEAKER_04:

I did it earlier, but I didn't pull you up on it.

SPEAKER_02:

Did I?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh dear. I'm going to upset the baby Jesus now. I don't mean it as a blaspheme. Jesus allowed his precious locomotive to crawl away from the yard, ready to gather up ahead of steam. And as he did, the story is that a small boy spotted smoke in the leading box car.

SPEAKER_04:

With the dynamite in short. Oh, for God's sake.

SPEAKER_02:

Stray sparks have already reached the open car.

SPEAKER_04:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

Francesco immediately shouted for the train to be stopped. Fuego, fuego! He planned to that's good. That adds a bit of atmosphere for the listener.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. And I spoke Spanish.

SPEAKER_02:

He planned to pull out the smoking boxes of dynamite and smother them in dirt.

SPEAKER_04:

To put out the dirt a bit. And then perhaps um what's his face? Jesus didn't want to go out and ruin his suit.

SPEAKER_02:

But by the time he could clamber his way up onto the boxcar, the smoke had become flames. The river was too far away for water to be fetched because no one would have thought water might be a handy thing to keep around. Yeah, because the water the water boy had been promoted all the way up to the driver and now he was also doing the conducting bit.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Francisco and Hippolito removed their jackets and tried to beat the flames without any success.

SPEAKER_04:

I wouldn't thought they would do.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, you don't know, Neil, because right, perhaps they were wearing blazers. That listener is a top quality joke. Urinating on it is not. That's just filth.

SPEAKER_04:

It'll put the flames out, wouldn't it? Depends how much you're in a built-in water supply.

SPEAKER_02:

I could just imagine you turning the fire somewhere.

SPEAKER_04:

I've got this. I've got this.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm gonna wee on it. Yeah, that'll work.

SPEAKER_04:

There you go.

SPEAKER_02:

Right, anyway, let's stop mucking about and we need to be serious because the yard housed not only the powder magazine, which we've already referenced. Yes, that was on its way to on its way to Douglas.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

But other locomotives were there as well.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know. There were gas tanks and chemical tanks. Not to mention the all-important lifeblood to Nakazari, which were the rail tracks themselves, because they were bringing in food and workers and and letting them export their copper and everything.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And then there was the rail yards at close proximity to houses, shops, and the local school.

SPEAKER_04:

Ooh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Jesus knew there was only one thing to do. He had to take the train up and put the mountains between the dynamite and Nagazari, because if he let these flames get out of control where they were, the whole place could go up, couldn't it?

SPEAKER_04:

It could, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

I bet he was wishing now that he could get his hands on a cock and listen to what they were saying to him.

SPEAKER_04:

I bet he wishes now he'd get his hands on what's his face in hospital or people loaded up his lore his train and said, What the hell were you doing you bloody you crazy fools? Where's Tweakel?

SPEAKER_02:

We need tweakel. Someone would have shouted. So Jesus opened the throttle and began to power the train out from the yard, ordering his crew to jump.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, you would, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_02:

Eighteen year old Jose refused.

SPEAKER_04:

He'd punch him off. Get off.

SPEAKER_02:

And it's his testimony that we have for what happened next. So let's do some picturing. Over the clatter of the arm wheels on the narrow gauge tracks, the chugging of the full capacity engine, the whistle of rushing air going past your head and your ears, and the thud of thumping hearts. Jesus hollered for Jose to jump.

SPEAKER_04:

Jump Jose, jump Jose.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what he said. Jump, jump, jump around, jump up, jump up, and get down. If someone has to die, there's no point of it being both of us, he bellowed.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, if we both gotta die, that's silly. Get off this train, you get.

SPEAKER_02:

Is that Spanish?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Well done.

SPEAKER_04:

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02:

That's a bit of a flavour and colour from the listener. Jazus had made this climb in Locomotive No. Two more times than anyone dared to count, but as the train chugged away, he was frequently checking back down the line to see how far they were from Nakazari to see how many more boxes of dynamite had succumbed to the flames. Jose, I bet his bum was twitching.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I bet it was.

SPEAKER_02:

I bet his his his little bum hairs was probably singing as well.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Jose insisted on staying with his friend and mentor until finally all but forced him to jump. I don't know whether that meant like just in the air or off the train.

SPEAKER_04:

Everything off the train.

SPEAKER_02:

Jose rolled over and over through the dust and scrub, but was remarkably unhurt, so he did depart the train.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, he jumped off it. He did.

SPEAKER_02:

That was a good guess, Neil.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

He probably did, yeah. He probably did do it and not lose his hat.

SPEAKER_04:

Swing his arms around and stuff, and yeah, didn't lose his hat, so got up and just pushed himself off with his hat and put it back on again in a in a sexy sort of sly look in his face.

SPEAKER_02:

Is that how you find it?

SPEAKER_04:

Yep.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. He managed to scramble back up the track and take shelter behind a low bridge.

SPEAKER_04:

Ah good idea.

SPEAKER_02:

Now from his shelter behind a low bridge, up ahead he could see Jesus frantically gesturing for the folks scattered around camp six, which was just four miles or six kilometres out of Nakazari to run and take cover. But people saw it was good old friendly Jesus Garcia and assumed he was just waving hello.

SPEAKER_04:

He would do up, mate.

SPEAKER_02:

He's he's like get out of the bloody way, it's gonna blow. I'm gonna throw on fire.

SPEAKER_04:

Skidado, Skidado, Skidado.

SPEAKER_02:

Get out of the way.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh you go.

SPEAKER_02:

And they're all going, Hello! Hello, Jesus. Hello, Jesus.

SPEAKER_04:

We just said hello to you, and you last run greedy pig.

SPEAKER_02:

I say I say he's in a bit of a rush today. Yes. Seems a bit erratic. He's got his hat off, he's waving it at us and everything. Jose, of course, was watching from his little bridge, could taste the dryness in his mouth as he watched that plucky locomotive climb the final ridge. He crouched almost ready to make the jump on behalf of his friend. He was gonna make it, he thought. Jesus had saved them all over again. Good old Jesus.

SPEAKER_04:

Again, close to the rim.

SPEAKER_02:

But then just fifty meters a hundred and sixty four feet from safety.

SPEAKER_04:

What happened?

SPEAKER_02:

That's what happened. A lightning flash of perfect white, the noise of the explosion echoed around the mountains and could be heard ten miles or sixteen kilometers away.

SPEAKER_04:

How do they know?

SPEAKER_02:

Because people would have reported it, I'd imagine.

SPEAKER_04:

Did they get to eleven miles and people go, No, I never heard a thing?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_02:

That's exactly what happened. Thick grey smoke bloomed to block out the sky.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

The shockwave broke windows in Nakazari four miles distant. So just a shockwave of this boom broke windows four miles distant. Some reported dinner plates being shook from their tables.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I'd be raging with that.

SPEAKER_02:

Twisted metal, shrapnel and rubble hammered down into the streets and roofs of Nagasari. So you imagine you're one of the imagin yeah you imagine you're one of the school kids, and you sat there in your school, all of a sudden the ground started shaking, the windows cave in, and all you hear on your roof outside is this sort of thing that world was ending.

SPEAKER_04:

You would, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_02:

By some miracle, locomotive number two had clung stubbornly to the twisted tracks above the freshly blown twenty-foot crater. But tragically, Jesus Garcia was lost.

SPEAKER_04:

What he lost his way? Could he see his head?

SPEAKER_02:

His body was found far from the scene and was only identifiable because of a solitary boot.

SPEAKER_04:

Ah, well, so they couldn't find anything it was was he naked or was he in bits?

SPEAKER_02:

He was pretty badly burnt and probably in bits.

SPEAKER_04:

There could be a bit of some sit out there then.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I doubt it, Neil.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, you want to go. You don't know. It could have taken that long to drop down.

SPEAKER_02:

You think you're taking the family there for the UX holiday to have a look? No. In all, thirteen people died that day.

SPEAKER_04:

Just be well, do you know what? I'm not going there, Steve. I'm not going there.

SPEAKER_02:

I'd imagine actually more than thirteen people died that day if you're talking globally. But in Nakazari, in this incident, thirteen people died that day. Two children were blinded, which was an utter tragedy for such a close-knit community, but there could have been countless more lives lost were it not for the selfless actions of one man. Jesus Garcia died just six days before his twenty sixth birthday.

SPEAKER_05:

Why?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, because he was blown up in a train.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Today he's a national hero in Mexico.

SPEAKER_04:

Is he?

SPEAKER_02:

There are schools, streets, bridges, and plazas all named after him.

SPEAKER_04:

Is it now?

SPEAKER_02:

Every November the seventh, the country celebrates Railroad Workers' Day in his honour.

SPEAKER_04:

Still.

SPEAKER_02:

And Rosa attended the Nakazari Remembrance every year until her death in 1924, when mysteriously she stopped attending.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. Why did she stop attending?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, it's a bit of a mystery. She attended every year until her death in 1924 and she just stopped. No one really knows why. Jesus was posthumously awarded the American Cross of Honor by the US of A.

SPEAKER_04:

Right, that's no good.

SPEAKER_02:

The first Mexican ever to have the honor bestowed. And two years after the accident, the town unveiled a permanent memorial to Jesus Garcia. The hero of Nacazari. No actual monument.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh right.

SPEAKER_02:

But there are some very, very sad for me, it's sad enough as it is, isn't it? So something even sadder. Not only did he blow a twenty-foot crater and there's no copper in it, but sadly, Hezuita, his fiancee, did not live to see the unveiling of the memorial to her. Oh, that's sad.

SPEAKER_04:

Well she she died of sadness, didn't she? Dave died of a broken heart.

SPEAKER_02:

She did, Neil, yes. I don't like that.

SPEAKER_04:

That's not nice.

SPEAKER_02:

Less than a year after Jesus had passed away in his example. The greatest respect the people of Nakazari could pay was to do what in some way Jesus died trying to prevent Blow things up. And that was erase themselves from the map.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh. I think that's just annual blowing some it up.

SPEAKER_02:

Shortly after his ultimate sacrifice, the Sonora State Congress decreed that Nakazari would henceforth be known as Nakazari de Garcia. And the town still proudly bears his name to this day. So it's Nakazari de Garcia now. Now, how do you feel about Jesus Garcia Neil?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, he is a hero, I'll give him that, because he stayed with the train, but you know, and he's and he saved those lives. I just can't get out of my head that he didn't check his load and it didn't say, do you know what? That's too dangerous. This ain't happening, pal. Or you could look at it and think, well, actually it was starting to smoke when he got to the train himself, engine thought bigger this and that of the way. If he did that, fair play to him. If it didn't check his load beforehand and it started to smoke on his journey, then I'm sorry he has a little bit of responsibility to that.

SPEAKER_02:

If other people he was relying on other people to do these jobs and he had returned knowing that there is a very tight chedgel there for him to get this goods and things up to the mine and then bring the copper back. But perhaps he didn't have time to check the thing properly and was just relying on what other people had told him they'd done. He may have said, Right, lads, I'm going for my lunch, I'm having chicken soup today. Thank you very much for asking. Can you please load it, dynamite at the back, hay at the front, because hay doesn't catch fire, as we all famously know, and away you go. And it just didn't happen, did it?

SPEAKER_04:

No, it didn't happen, no.

SPEAKER_02:

But the moral of today's story, of course, is for gentlemen.

SPEAKER_04:

Check your load before you go anywhere.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I was gonna say for gentlemen particularly, we have often been accused of thinking with uh John Thomas's. So when you have got a fear message from a cock, you need to listen.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. You need to follow your cock.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you, listener, for staying with us through an exciting story of sacrifice, Jesus, Mexico, and ultimately a tragic story of big holes.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, a large crater. Is that still there, do you know? It probably is, is gonna what's the point in filling it in? Have they filled in Jesus' hole?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. Thank you, listener, for joining us for another exciting episode of Balabensions. That was very good.

SPEAKER_04:

That was Spanish.

SPEAKER_02:

That was Spanish, that's fluent.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, it was, yeah, told you.

SPEAKER_02:

We'll be back again soon.

SPEAKER_04:

So we star.

SPEAKER_02:

Pardon?

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Thank you very much for joining us. We'll be back again soon for another run through history for the people that history has forgotten but shouldn't have. That is a really, really bad sentence. We'll probably leave it there.

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Yeah. Bye. Honorable mentions.

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Well, come on then, Quark Seven. What does it say?

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